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<blockquote data-quote="Lasherž" data-source="post: 8705754" data-attributes="member: 679555"><p>In hindsight after rereading the whole page with that in mind I think it's clear enough. It does take more than one read, but I think the reason is that terms are used interchangeably when going from general rules (CLD) to build-log (ResoNix Squares). As a first time reader I hadn't yet understood ResoNix Squares to mean part of the CLD layer. The doors are a good tool since they're first in the mix for most people, but maybe with the cavity they add it would be good to do a little section on a more simple structure like the floor.</p><p></p><p>Rereading a 3rd time the section with the door I think another contributing factor is that MLV isn't mentioned at all in a hands-on context, so with the door as the example it makes me wonder where that would come into the mix if we're covering the door in only the other 2 and basically sealing it off from any MLV usage unless we undo some of the work when we go back to do that step. I understand now from your posts here that it would go between the two CCF layers, but I don't think that example contained that. The example is also listed right after talking about the importance of soundproofing everything if you're going to soundproof it, meaning the doors would be involved in that part for a fully involved effort. I think the guide could address that better, but I could have also taken more time to try and understand. The lack of MLV example is the only point that I think would be a benefit to the article that isn't just me not knowing what each product is for the duration of the article after brief introductions.</p><p></p><p>Not for nothing you pretty much cover it in the last paragraph, "This just about wraps it up for our method of getting the most out of sound treating your doors. The only other thing you could add is a noise barrier, but we don’t see a point in doing that unless you are soundproofing your entire vehicle. Unfortunately, we do not sell a noise barrier so we do not see a need to include it in <em>our </em>guide. Long story short, it would go between your door car and the decoupling layer. Ideally, it would have a decoupling layer on both sides."</p><p></p><p>Fair enough, I can't really knock the guide on that since you don't sell it. I guess it wouldn't really matter which surface the MLV was attached to, but that would be good to specify how you would recommend it as a quick side-note. For example, would it be more beneficial to put it on the panel or the rigid metal door frame? CCF doesn't seem like the easiest thing to get good adhesion on for panels of vinyl.</p><p></p><p>From what you said above combined with the website it would be CLD on the outer skin with nothing else, then patching the holes, then applying to the metal framework the CCF layer, then MLV, then on the panel that connects to it more CLD under CCF along with butyl rope patchwork on the connecting clips to stymie their vibration?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Lasherž, post: 8705754, member: 679555"] In hindsight after rereading the whole page with that in mind I think it's clear enough. It does take more than one read, but I think the reason is that terms are used interchangeably when going from general rules (CLD) to build-log (ResoNix Squares). As a first time reader I hadn't yet understood ResoNix Squares to mean part of the CLD layer. The doors are a good tool since they're first in the mix for most people, but maybe with the cavity they add it would be good to do a little section on a more simple structure like the floor. Rereading a 3rd time the section with the door I think another contributing factor is that MLV isn't mentioned at all in a hands-on context, so with the door as the example it makes me wonder where that would come into the mix if we're covering the door in only the other 2 and basically sealing it off from any MLV usage unless we undo some of the work when we go back to do that step. I understand now from your posts here that it would go between the two CCF layers, but I don't think that example contained that. The example is also listed right after talking about the importance of soundproofing everything if you're going to soundproof it, meaning the doors would be involved in that part for a fully involved effort. I think the guide could address that better, but I could have also taken more time to try and understand. The lack of MLV example is the only point that I think would be a benefit to the article that isn't just me not knowing what each product is for the duration of the article after brief introductions. Not for nothing you pretty much cover it in the last paragraph, "This just about wraps it up for our method of getting the most out of sound treating your doors. The only other thing you could add is a noise barrier, but we don’t see a point in doing that unless you are soundproofing your entire vehicle. Unfortunately, we do not sell a noise barrier so we do not see a need to include it in [I]our [/I]guide. Long story short, it would go between your door car and the decoupling layer. Ideally, it would have a decoupling layer on both sides." Fair enough, I can't really knock the guide on that since you don't sell it. I guess it wouldn't really matter which surface the MLV was attached to, but that would be good to specify how you would recommend it as a quick side-note. For example, would it be more beneficial to put it on the panel or the rigid metal door frame? CCF doesn't seem like the easiest thing to get good adhesion on for panels of vinyl. From what you said above combined with the website it would be CLD on the outer skin with nothing else, then patching the holes, then applying to the metal framework the CCF layer, then MLV, then on the panel that connects to it more CLD under CCF along with butyl rope patchwork on the connecting clips to stymie their vibration? [/QUOTE]
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