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<blockquote data-quote="T3mpest" data-source="post: 6740404" data-attributes="member: 560148"><p>by "music" you mean rap music? Boxes tuned a 40hz where most cars have alot of gain sound ridiculous on most normal non rap music. Anyway I like my music loud, but I also like it to sound good, the way it's actually supposed to sound. If one frequency range can only get to 128db's then IMO, the car can't realistically do much over a 130 on music. Ported tuned high gives you alot of gain from 40-50hz where there is alot of audible bass, but you can't keep up with that ANYWHERE else. It's like turning up the treble on stock speakers to make them louder, yeah it kinda does, but not really.</p><p></p><p>Anyway JL does make good gear. The speakers have very quiet suspensions (can't say that about most SPL subs), can handle a reasonable amount of power, and offer relatively low distortion figures. I'd put money if you put a w7 and any of the other forum SPL boners on a klippel or Dumax you'd see that for actually playing music, the w7 is a much better engineered driver. That all being said, unless I can get one second hand I wouldn' run one as there are too many small internet companies that do make comparable gear for SQ purposes.</p><p></p><p>Anyway the nice thing about a SQ car is that you can literally put anything into it and it sounds good. I can listen to Jazz, classical, rock, pop, techno, anything and it sounds just fine. Sure when I play rap or techno I tend to turn the bass up, but oh well. I had some kids who were SPL oriented in my car a few days ago actually and we were listening to thriller. The passenger actually turned his head as he realized the opening walk was moving across the stage like it's supposed to from pillar to pillar. I was also running it full range at about 115db's so the opening was pretty intense lol. After that they actually asked me to play some rock music so they could hear what that kind of full range clean SPL sounded like on a good recording with some good drum beats.</p><p></p><p>Once you get a system that is half way setup for SQ you realize how "noisy" most systems sounds. Mids out of phase, tweeters just kinda blaring.. No staging to speak of (once your used to being able to actually pick out instrument locations and have a defined left right and center, not having it *****, I swear). There's no reason a system like that can't be ****ed loud either.</p><p></p><p>Some of the better SQ cars I've sat in could actually **** near reproduce a concert. To do this requires SQ and SPL, you have to be able to get loud, but keep all frequencies in balance.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="T3mpest, post: 6740404, member: 560148"] by "music" you mean rap music? Boxes tuned a 40hz where most cars have alot of gain sound ridiculous on most normal non rap music. Anyway I like my music loud, but I also like it to sound good, the way it's actually supposed to sound. If one frequency range can only get to 128db's then IMO, the car can't realistically do much over a 130 on music. Ported tuned high gives you alot of gain from 40-50hz where there is alot of audible bass, but you can't keep up with that ANYWHERE else. It's like turning up the treble on stock speakers to make them louder, yeah it kinda does, but not really. Anyway JL does make good gear. The speakers have very quiet suspensions (can't say that about most SPL subs), can handle a reasonable amount of power, and offer relatively low distortion figures. I'd put money if you put a w7 and any of the other forum SPL boners on a klippel or Dumax you'd see that for actually playing music, the w7 is a much better engineered driver. That all being said, unless I can get one second hand I wouldn' run one as there are too many small internet companies that do make comparable gear for SQ purposes. Anyway the nice thing about a SQ car is that you can literally put anything into it and it sounds good. I can listen to Jazz, classical, rock, pop, techno, anything and it sounds just fine. Sure when I play rap or techno I tend to turn the bass up, but oh well. I had some kids who were SPL oriented in my car a few days ago actually and we were listening to thriller. The passenger actually turned his head as he realized the opening walk was moving across the stage like it's supposed to from pillar to pillar. I was also running it full range at about 115db's so the opening was pretty intense lol. After that they actually asked me to play some rock music so they could hear what that kind of full range clean SPL sounded like on a good recording with some good drum beats. Once you get a system that is half way setup for SQ you realize how "noisy" most systems sounds. Mids out of phase, tweeters just kinda blaring.. No staging to speak of (once your used to being able to actually pick out instrument locations and have a defined left right and center, not having it *****, I swear). There's no reason a system like that can't be ****ed loud either. Some of the better SQ cars I've sat in could actually **** near reproduce a concert. To do this requires SQ and SPL, you have to be able to get loud, but keep all frequencies in balance. [/QUOTE]
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