I personally do not own any Skar products, and have never dealt with Kevin before. I have a good friend who bought a "used Sundown 3500" from him and it was pretty much new. That's the only honest feed back I know of him. What I don't understand is all these people saying they ordered new subs but got used subs. If that's the case, then why not just file a paypal dispute? Why keep used subs when you ordered new ones. If that was the case, it would be pretty easy to prove and get your money back. I am considering buying 4 of the VVX version 2 12s. I read through this entire thread of hate on Skar, and didn't find one single example of the Skar subs not preforming up to task. For the price, I can't find a better deal. If someone who hates Skar so much can, please feel free to tell me where. I'm looking for 4 10s or 12s in the VVX price range.