mr.tigger 10+ year member
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am lookin for loudness which is a better but to get that 2 type r 12 d4
or 1 sundown 15z d2
on a mb quarts 2000
or 1 sundown 15z d2
on a mb quarts 2000
or the 2 r 12's if you want to get louderI would go with sundown if you want to get loud......
Couldn't it be said for even the most sloppy loudspeaker that it could sound good in the perfect install?.... oh wait. I think it just was. Type R's are inefficient. They are not accurate in most scenarios.... they are just trash. The only reason people use them is, they are a main stream mass produced sub. You can find them EVERYWHERE for almost no money. People say.. oh they can take more than 500 watts all day yet they have never clamped the power going to them. Just because they turn their gain up all the way they assume they are putting out so much more. They know nothing about impedance rise etc. 2" coils are not exactly great at taking tons of power. The cooling on the type r isn't anything special. So what does anyone have to go on? NOTHING. Rumor and the fact that their buddy has some in a prefab box and it "HITS". Come the hell on.Type R's allday sound is all in the install BCF and type Rs happen to be pretty pickie to sound good
I am speaking from experience. Over 20 years of experience in the car audio industry. I see people flaming the type-r because of the 2 inch coil they use, it makes them look silly because coil size is not a factor in getting loud...Couldn't it be said for even the most sloppy loudspeaker that it could sound good in the perfect install?.... oh wait. I think it just was. Type R's are inefficient. They are not accurate in most scenarios.... they are just trash. The only reason people use them is, they are a main stream mass produced sub. You can find them EVERYWHERE for almost no money. People say.. oh they can take more than 500 watts all day yet they have never clamped the power going to them. Just because they turn their gain up all the way they assume they are putting out so much more. They know nothing about impedance rise etc. 2" coils are not exactly great at taking tons of power. The cooling on the type r isn't anything special. So what does anyone have to go on? NOTHING. Rumor and the fact that their buddy has some in a prefab box and it "HITS". Come the hell on.
Ugh your "20 years of experience" didn't include reading for comprehension skills did they?I am speaking from experience. Over 20 years of experience in the car audio industry. I see people flaming the type-r because of the 2 inch coil they use, it makes them look silly because coil size is not a factor in getting loud...The proliferation of custom built subs is not what got the spl community higher numbers on the sensor. Enclosure design is... And on that, I am speaking from experience.