i didn't say it was a debate, i am just letting you know that there are enough questions in that forum as it is, and an offtopic thread, cars or not, should remain the the offtopic forum.
but i'm not a mod, so i'm useless //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif