Well it’s not my money, it’s our money. Also it’s not a small purchase and definitely on the frivolous side. Still she is mostly supportive but expects me to make a thoughtful decision that minimizes the damage to our bank account. And I feel the same about it. It needs to be a smart purchase and the best bang for the buck.
His moniker states "Unapologetic prick", at least he's honest - and probably single!
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So to your question about Loudness:
I appreciate you taking the time to try to help and write all this out, but I’ll freely admit that I have very little experience/knowledge in this arena and I don’t understand any of this. Way over my head. Thanks though. Whoever does the install for me will have to handle all this.Amazon product ASIN B0854R7JYV
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You can use a Wood Bastard File to shave the surround down for this sub to fit. The 2 ohm version of the amplifier is about $30 more. This amplifier will give you a better option to run 21 ohm later if you decide to Add another DVC4 ohm sub. You will not be running this amp hard @2ohms and should give plenty of bass in the cabin. Id rather do a ported enclosure myself. But these work if you do not want to do an all in one package as the bazooka 8"250 class d sub that works really well and almost destructible.
I appreciate you taking the time to try to help and write all this out, but I’ll freely admit that I have very little experience/knowledge in this arena and I don’t understand any of this. Way over my head. Thanks though. Whoever does the install for me will have to handle all rhisAmazon product ASIN B0854R7JYV
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The CT Sounds 4 gauge OFC complete amplifier wiring kit is perfect for systems rated up to 2000 watts and includes everything from a waterproof fuse holder to a bundle of zip ties for cable management to get your stereo going faster.
Get a 60 amp fuse with the holder. This needs to be placed at the amplifier, the other fuse and holder needs be at the Vehicle Battery.Waterproof MINI ANL Fuse Holder 4 or 8 Gauge Marine Boat Amp Install + FREE FUSE | eBay
GOLD Mini (MIDI) ANL Fuse Holder. Includes one FREE high quality XScorpion mini ANL with LED indicator - you choose the size! PICTURE SHOWS PLATINUM FUSE HOLDER. Works with 4 and 8 Gauge Wire. INPUTS: One 4 or 8 Gauge.
You can use a Wood Bastard File to shave the surround down for this sub to fit. The 2 ohm version of the amplifier is about $30 more. This amplifier will give you a better option to run 21 ohm later if you decide to Add another DVC4 ohm sub. You will not be running this amp hard @2ohms and should give plenty of bass in the cabin. Id rather do a ported enclosure myself. But these work if you do not want to do an all in one package as the bazooka 8"250 class d sub that works really well and almost destructible.
Thsnks for the write-up on this, very helpful. To clarify, are you saying that the supposedly lower end S series compared to the Higher R series doesn’t really have a substantive difference in quality/efficiency, and therefore the S should perform mostly as well as the R? Also, with the S coming in a plastic enclosure and the R in a mdf fiber board box, this should not make a sound difference either? I had read the fiberboard material produced a warmer/richer sound. Thoughts?Well then, my vote is the 12". Years ago, I had to replace a stolen system in my little Suzuki hatchback. Because the insurance covered the system, they compensated me a lump sum. I decided to take the difference of building my own enclosure instead of reacquiring the previous box and dual 10s. With the added amount from building my own box, got the same model subs but the 12s. While I'm a fan of 10s, glad I changed. Both the 10s and the 12s were in sealed boxes, spec'd and stuffed. The difference was instant. Same amplification, different sound for sure. I powered it with it with the same amp, an old-school RF power 500.1, and never looked back. Very happy I made the jump to the 12s. The Alpine amp is nice at roughly 8.66" x 2.21" x 8.3", it s a lot in a small package. Recently, Stinger launched some very well-designed small'sh footprint subwoofer amplifiers too, the MT10001 comes in at 6 x 9 x 2. The design is actually unique to Stinger and the designer is well respected in the industry. The Stinger Audio MT10001 is every bit as well made with the exception of its BASS knob (which is not a factor in my mind - the Alpine BASS knob is an optional purchase) and it is actually 1ohm stable. It will give you 700 watts at 2ohms. (both amps have more than enough power for the Alpine 10 or 12). IT's $110 less to boot. Granted, if you just prefer that the Alpine amp and sub are the same brand, in my opinion, it's a $110 aesthetics choice, nothing more, nothing less, and if you have the spare change, worth it to anyone who likes things all to match. Go with the 12, either amp, get back to us, and tell everyone how stoked you are!
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The Poly Fill deff helps to tame down that Hollow/Echo sound effect and works. Ive used it in many enclosures over the yearsI think, in your situation, yes.
A middle-ground compromise would be to get the upper end 10" with the less expensive but more powerful amp Stinger amp. In order for the RS-SB10 to perform at the volume of the 12 (at the same 300 watts), it'd need substantially more power. Since the 12 in this case the SS-SB12 can't handle the power the other can, then yes, up to the rated power limit of the SS-SB12, it will outperform the 10. Since either of the amplifiers will exceed the capability, then it becomes a matter of price-to-performance ratios, sound preferences, and ultimately, need. The 10 is a better sub and you pay for it. From what I see regarding your listening preferences, I don't think you're ever going to put 500 watts into any sub - that's really LOUD! if you think you would, then the rest of the system has to be re-evaluated too. At some point, the sub will drown out the other components unless they can keep up. With that in mind, you might ask, why either amp? IMHO, it's always better to have spare power and room for the amp to breathe. Headroom is a must in subwoofer applications. I am currently running a 3000-watt amp to dual SEALED Focal 33v2's, running them at 4 ohms to the amp which is rated to put out roughly 1500 watts at 4 ohms. Wasted power some would say but not to me. I'd rather the 1 ohm-rated amp run cool and easy at 4 all day long instead of running at the peak, even idling. While MDF is the preferred box material, the poly-box is waterproof too. Where do liquids go when spilled above in the seat? Pros and cons to everything. It may have been needed to get the 12" into a cavity that was large enough as well. I'm sure that Alpine is aware of the differences in sonics too. One thing they do well in good plastic fab boxes is engineered rigidity (Ribs and braces) that you just can't duplicate in a wooden structure as small as these. I would recommend that you buy a pound of Acusta Stuff and put 1 lb of it per 1 cu ft of airspace. (if these equal a cubic foot, then one pound of fill. It will help in either case.
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Acousta-Stuf Polyfill 1 lb. Bag Speaker Cabinet Sound Damping MaterialAcousta-Stuf, a synthetic material made from crimped fibers, is an excellent choice for filling or stuffing small enclosures or transmission line cabinets. Long fiber wool has been a favorite among serious speaker builders but...
Some will argue that it doesn't make much difference, I say it makes a LOT of difference in especially compressed boxes such as these.
FYI, if I go with the S series 12 inch, crutchfield advisor is recommending I use either the kicker 46CXA400.1T as the amp (first choice) or the alpine it’s-200M- (second choice). Your thoughts on this competed to stinger?I think, in your situation, yes.
A middle-ground compromise would be to get the upper end 10" with the less expensive but more powerful amp Stinger amp. In order for the RS-SB10 to perform at the volume of the 12 (at the same 300 watts), it'd need substantially more power. Since the 12 in this case the SS-SB12 can't handle the power the other can, then yes, up to the rated power limit of the SS-SB12, it will outperform the 10. Since either of the amplifiers will exceed the capability, then it becomes a matter of price-to-performance ratios, sound preferences, and ultimately, need. The 10 is a better sub and you pay for it. From what I see regarding your listening preferences, I don't think you're ever going to put 500 watts into any sub - that's really LOUD! if you think you would, then the rest of the system has to be re-evaluated too. At some point, the sub will drown out the other components unless they can keep up. With that in mind, you might ask, why either amp? IMHO, it's always better to have spare power and room for the amp to breathe. Headroom is a must in subwoofer applications. I am currently running a 3000-watt amp to dual SEALED Focal 33v2's, running them at 4 ohms to the amp which is rated to put out roughly 1500 watts at 4 ohms. Wasted power some would say but not to me. I'd rather the 1 ohm-rated amp run cool and easy at 4 all day long instead of running at the peak, even idling. While MDF is the preferred box material, the poly-box is waterproof too. Where do liquids go when spilled above in the seat? Pros and cons to everything. It may have been needed to get the 12" into a cavity that was large enough as well. I'm sure that Alpine is aware of the differences in sonics too. One thing they do well in good plastic fab boxes is engineered rigidity (Ribs and braces) that you just can't duplicate in a wooden structure as small as these. I would recommend that you buy a pound of Acusta Stuff and put 1 lb of it per 1 cu ft of airspace. (if these equal a cubic foot, then one pound of fill. It will help in either case.
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Acousta-Stuf Polyfill 1 lb. Bag Speaker Cabinet Sound Damping MaterialAcousta-Stuf, a synthetic material made from crimped fibers, is an excellent choice for filling or stuffing small enclosures or transmission line cabinets. Long fiber wool has been a favorite among serious speaker builders but...
Some will argue that it doesn't make much difference, I say it makes a LOT of difference in especially compressed boxes such as these.
